KUSA registered dog info required

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due to me not knowing what my dad has organised i have edited this post to prevent an up roar however please fo give info and in put.
here is a pic not the best will get a proper one.
think he stands 70cm at the shoulder/wither

[Dodabby]

It is not Alsation, it is German Shepherd Dog.

And if he is Kusa registered, do you have breeding rights from the breeder of this dog? Most breeders of any integrity place breeding restrictions on all puppies they sell. Do you have rights to breed this dog?

How about Elbow and Hip Xrays, has this been done? And what about his age?

Im sorry, i may be ranting off here, but to advertise a 'stud dog' off the bat like this is unethical.

[Starsha]

I agree with Dodaddy. Has he been X-rayed and do they have the rights to put this dog to stud? There are just so many unwanted dogs out there

He is absolutely gorgeous.

[~Cadence~]

yes everything is cleared
have breeding rights and hips have been x rayed (as far as i remember)
papers ect all is in order.
he is 4 years old..

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my step dad handled everything and said all is up to date ect
he told me we can start looking for bitches for him to cover

[Weezie]

Hey Tara will your step-dad be requesting/making sure the bitch have up to date papers, registration papers and a clear vetcheck?(HD,etc.)

[Robyn]

Photo preferably a side on showing how he stands. Does he have a showing history?

[misty]

Quite frankly Tara I am very annoyed to see this sort of add here - not only is it unethical but you do not have the right to advertise him as you do. What 'health checks' has he had? Hip and elbows scored? What are the results?
Optigen tested for other diseases? What were the results? Are you registered as accredited breeders with KUSA?
This dog has skin problems if I remember correctly - those are hereditary and if used at stud he will pass them and any other problems on.
Do you have his KUSA registration papers?
Is he so outstanding you cannot NOT breed with him?

Sorry but this really p!$$es me off as there are too many dogs out there anyway - please think before being so irresponsible.

[anine]

as with stallions, WHY do you think he's worth breeding with?
just being registered is not enough

[Weezie]

In all fairness this isn't Taras dog it's her step dads, Tara appears as far as I can see to be a 'messenger'.

[anine]

fair enough but as she's put up the add, she can go find out the answers?

[Robyn]

Tara, if your stepdad wants to do it properly- above board, registering done, x-rays cleared, disease-free & all the legalities involved, then he should advertise somewhere reputable like the GSD breed registry, Animaltalk classifieds etc. The ad will come across a lot more professional than on a chat site.
However, if he's breeding because it's a 'nice dog with a lovely nature' I would reconsider. Also bear in mind that people who do phone will want a lot of detail & know that the breeder is competent & that their bitch is in knowledgeable hands. Just points to consider (if he hasn't already done so) I also think the oweness is on him to be answering these questions & doing the advertising

[Weezie]

Exactly, my point being that the 'responsible' adult in this scenario is to blame here.
Tara's gonna have to play messenger to both sides on this one

[~Cadence~]

My dad told me everything had been cleared and he was good to breed. (the owner apparently wanted to buy him back to breed but my dad turned him down) Ace has good breeding but was not shown due to being ridden over by a car (his back legs were run over when he was younger) i was told i can advertise him and thats what i did... im sorry but i didnt see anything wrong with it.

Misty your right he is alergic to fleas. as for the rest my step dad said all was cleared..

[~Cadence~]

ok seeing at i clearly have not gone about this the right way i would like to know how to go about this. All i know is that we have his papers as i am looking at them.
He has good breeding, his grabd sire was imported from germany into sa i think (it says excellent select (germany) and his sire was excellent NBS.) His dams lines and sires lines have wither got a A+ or a with regards to hip dysplasia gradings.

i see though he has to be gradded (i presume like stallions??)
im not sure what my step dad has done ect.
could someone please give me more info? how do i research bloodlines as apparently his grand sire was an excellent dog. would want to find out more
before we do anything illegal (step dad hasnt really explained anything to me) so ill take down the up for stud.

[Robyn]

Tara, have a look at www.gsdfederation.co.za- it's a very helpful site. A dog with good grading & with acceptable points for breeding doesn't mean to say that it will be a good stud dog or that it's inherited all the right traits (although it's a good start). Breeding is subjected to minimum standards as directed from Germany- the dog needs to be tattoed, graded (minimum) 'Good' by a qualified judge & pass the HD test. They do other various tests as well.
Phone the GSD Federation- they are very helpful but will give you very honest & sound advice.

[misty]

Tara start by checking up on the site given by Robyn and then ask if you have any questions. Contact them and get all the relevant info. Remember that they are separate from KUSA and will have all their own rules and regulations which are for the good of the breed.

Let me know if you need more info.

[Dodabby]

Tara, I know you are the messenger here, and the saying goes "don’t shoot the messenger". But in this case I am probably going to land up doing that anyways, but please understand this is not directed at you - this is directed at every person who breeds a dog in my opinion.

I have owned GSD's for almost ten years, and two of mine come from a top GSD breeder here in JHB. The third was a rescue who we rescued from a guy walking down the road waving a five week old puppy around (yeah, don’t ask).

So two of them are pedigreed and my male has very good lines. When we brought them from the breeder, we were placed under restrictions, and we had to sign multiple forms and other pieces of paper to ensure that we would have both dogs - one male, one female, sterilized. Being the VERY anti breeding person that I am, this was no issue.

However, had I wanted to breed the dogs, I would have had to register with the GSDF as a breeder - note NOT Kusa because they were GSDF registered dogs. I could have registered them with Kusa (at the time) with a lot of rigmarole. They would have had to be tested for HD, a scoring sent to the vet that does the scoring for the GSDF (forget his name now) as your local vet is NOT able to do this officially for you. And this costs money - lots of it. This includes both hip and elbow x-rays. If your local vet says he can score the dogs for you officially, he is talking bollocks.

I did have my dogs scored by my own vet for my own interest sake; I did not need an official scoring as I was not going to breed them anyhow.

There are other factors involved too, such as his testicals, have they dropped correctly? If he has allergies, he will no doubt pass that down the line. If it is fleas he is allergic to, then use Frontline. Are you (well in this case, your dad) registered as a breeder?

And lastly, for now, if you are doing this for money, you are in the wrong game. Breeding dogs is not a money generator at all as it costs more to breed a good dog properly than what it sells for. Please don’t become yet another back yard breeder. The shepherd I rescued is evidently from a back yarder, even though he is a striking GSD, it is evident from his elbow problems, his squareness, and his splayed feet that he is a back yard bred dog.

Ok, one more thing, was he temperament tested?

[Viking]

I agree with lots of folk on this thread around breeding irresponsibily and sometimes one can't hide behind ignorance, as animals are involved.

Firstly Tara, he certainly looks like a lovely dog!~ Very handsome indeed!

I am personally not a very knowledgeable person when it comes to GSB's, but I can tell you that when it comes to breeding there are various criteria to be addressed.

Does the dog have a good disposition and temperament? This is extremely important, as one does not want to pass on any anti-social or agressive behavious.

The flea allergy is not a big problem, as most dogs have this, but it should certainly be under control, so that the dog is NOT suffering as a result! Frontline Plus seems to do the trick! Apart from that though, does the dog have any other conditions? Have his hips and elbows been OFFICIALLY tested? Do you have confirmation of that? Hip Dysplasia is a huge problem in GSB breeding and one certainly does not want to pass that on. There results are also integral in being allowed to breed, as without this, the pups can't be registered and you become yet another "backstreet breeder", which i am sure is not the intention.

The next question would quite right be WHY you want to breed, as it is quite costly and time consuming to care for the pups, vaccinate them, resgister them etc.

There are various ways you could rather advertise your boy as a stud dog, and personally, having a stud dog myself, I would not put him up on the internet, but rather advertise him, with a CV of his successes, breeding etc, on our Breed Club's correspondence / newsletter etc, or in KUSA's newsletter or in a magazine like Animaltalk.

It is so important to do your homework though Tara, because if he is used on a bitch that you have also not thoroughly checked out for all of the above, you are not doing the breed or your dog's name or kennel name any favours, not to mention bringing yet another litter of problem dogs into the world. I know this sounds harsh, but do you know how many people I know personally that have had to put young GSB's and Rottie's down, due to Hip Dysplasia??? Farrr too many to mention!!!!

I agree with Robyn & Dodabby - contact KUSA and the GSD Federation for guidance on how to approach breeding responsibly and educatedly.

All the best of luck!

[misty]

One of the reasons I am so passionate about not breeding with just anything - we had to put our rottie down before she was even 2 years old due to HD!
That was 30 years ago when I first started showing and breeding and although science has advanced in that there are now wonderful tests etc available, people unfortunately havent learnt yet to DO the necessary tests.