Spinoff: Stabling Prices

[~Berna~]

After reading the Tokai stabling prices thread I started to wonder how much you pay for stabling and what do you get for the price?

I'm very lucky as I live near Gansbaai and people will not pay thousands of rands for stabling, so stabling prices is very low. We only have 3 yards in Gansbaai and a few private people. I believe that Presence is stabled at the best yard in G'baai.

This is what I pay...
-R150 for grazing/field/paddock and water
-R100 to feed
-And I pay about R500 a month for feed

For this price I get...
-2 medium sized paddocks and a big field (shared by my friend 3 horses and Presence)
-a Stable, that I don't use
-Rugging and grooming
-It's a DIY yard, so I have to pre scoop the feed myself, but someone feeds for us
-Lovely outrides, 2 minutes from the mountains and 5 minutes from the beach.
-Storage for bales and feed, but no tackroom
-An arena and jumps (I build it myself, so it doesn't really count, lol)
-Small yard, only 9 horses on property

Thats Value for money, but the owner does not really get a huge profit!

[~*Lizzy*~]

Well my horses live on the property but we charge R1800pm for a THB and R1600pm for a non-tb and for that ALL food is inclusive.
Horses are stabled in winter and sometimes come in during the day in summer depending on the heat.
Then they get fly masks, blanketed and groomed when needed.
There is a lunge arena, dressage arena, free jump arena and jumping arena on the property and stunning outrides too. Granted they aren't world class facilities but i use them and i compete at the highest level so they're good.
And we're about an hours drive out of cape town..

[Rhythm]

How do you guys do it so cheaply feed wise? With rates etc it pushes the stabling prices up ALOT. The feed alone for a THB usually costs around R1600

[*mannymoo*]

I can feed a horse for R1000 at my place a month i only feed lucern sometimes oathay and then oats with soya.
I offer daily grooming i charge R500 for my groom as per arrangement as he lunges, tacks up, grooms thoughroly daily, rugs, and provides according to owners request. Then R200w&el. ,R100 for bedding thats equals R1800 a month and i make nothing off it...

[michele]

I keep Daze at home. I pay my landlords R300 for use of the paddocks (there's 2 but Daze stays in one) which are grassed and have water access. feeding her costs R250 every 3 weeks for cons and lucerne chaff and then R55 per week for a bale of oathay, since the grazing good right now. In winter, it'll be uped.

[~Berna~]

Rhythm it probably depends on the horse. The TB mare I'm leasing stays in the same paddock as Presence and gets everything that Presence gets, but she eats about R900 of food a month.

Concentrates prices does increase, but I've realised for 3 months Equi-feeds has been the same, I pay R145 a bag of Maintanance. And oathay and lucern a depends on the time of the year you buy, sometimes i pay R100 a bale lucern and other times R50. So it probably depends on the time of the year feeding wise!

[blue]

I don't even think of my astronomical monthly costs - for only one horse out of five that's being ridden!

About 14,000 a month all in with lessons and shows.

[lally]

I pay R3000 in Stellenbosch for Chloe (TB). For that price all food,stable, turn out in paddock with grazing, grooming, blanketing washing and tack cleaning. There is also a dressage and jumping arena and stunning outrides. Although I do still think they are making a big profit as I worked out my horse eats the following about 8 bales of oathay (8 x R35 = R304 and one bag of concentrates = R150 total R454).

Betsie (TB) I pay R2500 in Stellenbosch. For that price I get a stable, blanketing, all feed included and turn out in paddock and grooming. The paddock does not really have much grazing. There is place to school and outrides but not proper arenas. I have worked out her cost to feed. She eats about 15 bales of oathay a month (15 x R35 = R525). She eats 2 kgs of concentrates a day (2 x 30 = 60kg rounded up to 2 bag x R120 = R240) In total she eats R765. So they also make profit.

Rhythm I do not know how you get to R1600 feed for TB a month?

[Salinero]

On average, per month:

shavings = R300
oathay = R400
lucerne = R240
teff (if its fed, then the oathay priced is halved, otherwise not fed to some horses) = R240
groom = R300
concentrates = R150 (not everyone gets them)

That's R1600. That doesn't include rent for the property, water, electricity, odds and ends needed at the yard (shovels, brooms, fly bait, cleaning products, etc) or security. So I can see why stabling is so expensive. If you want to make a profit it will cost a lot of money.

I spend about R2.5k a horse a month (including shoes and supplements) and I don't even stable at a stabling yard. Lesson prices are also quite steep these days but you get what you pay for I suppose.

[*mannymoo*]

The groom is the biggest expence the only time you make money off clients is wen you have more than 10horses other wise you loosing or breaking even.

[Rhythm]

I give the horses add lib oathay as there is little grazing at this time of the year so each horse gets about 1/2 bale of oathay a day as well as a cake of lucerne. Oathay is R50 per bale 50 x 16 bales = R800 5 bales of lucerne = 60 x 5 = R300 and concentrates = R170 per horse speedy beat = R260

Total = R1530 They all get fenushine, garlic, and oil in their feed which adds up to more.
Then rent is R500 per horse, water electricity is inc. Fly poison = R180 per month. Paddock maintenance (new poles fixing electric fence etc) Medical supplies (purple spray bandages, hoof oil etc around R300 a month) = R980

I charge R1500 bsic for basic groom (blankets feeds picks up manure etc) i do all of that as i dont see the point in having a groom for 3 horses so i pretty much get paid R520 a month which is R17 day to pick up, care for, groom etc... someones horse. Is it worth it... not really.

Looking at the prices im paying WAY to much for oathay. Who supplies your oathay?

[lally]

I think they bought the oathay from a farmer in Caledon. (not sure)

[michele]

My neaighbour has just bought one of those monster bales of oathay. It's R600 for the thing, but is equivalent to 18 normal square bales, so it would make it R33 a bale. Daze only eats a little though, so I just buy the normal bales for her.

[~Berna~]

Lally where in Caledon???

[bluehorsmatine]

My mare costs me R2650 per month to keep, and she is a good doer. This includes my groom's salary.

[smartie]

My concentrated meal comes to R250 per month, 5 bales of oathay@ R30 per month, which we only feed in Winter as we have huge grass camps where our horses sleep in during Summer, grazing saves a fortune in roughage, we have no boys, I do it all myself and in Winter we buy a truckload of shavings for R900 which lasts us all Winter, further than that we pay per stable at R500 per month so my stable hire is more expensive than all my feed put together, if one can stable at home, you can easily feed a Tbred for well under R700 my daughters is fat and shiny and looks great.

[*Jackie*]

We get charged R2200/month in Durban - that's including +-6kg of concentrates plus 2 haynets, half a day in the paddock, stabling, grooming...

food=6kg/dayx30 days = 180 kg
let's call it 4.5 bags @ R200/bag = R900/month on concentrates

[Sunny]

Hi there, I keep my horses at home: I have 5 horses

1kg per day on concentrates (Capstone) = R215 per month per horse
1/3 per bale per day = R330 per month
slice of lucern per day = R120 per month
Slice of Teff a day = R120 per month
Straw bedding = R140 per month
Groom = R400 per month

Total = R1325 per month

Additional:
GCS Max: R360
Fly Spray: R150

Every 6 weeks:
Shoes: R350
Dewormer: R100

Lessons:
R250 per week for jumping (3 times per month)
R220 per week for dressage (3 times per month)

So all in all: R3695 per COMPETITIVE horse per month
WOW now that I have done that I can see where all my money goes - one thinks that because you have yoour horses at home you dont spend as much, which is true but then you have more horses so you end up spending more...

[jane]

I have a small yard and as of this date next month only 1 client. So only 2 horses and 2 ponies.

I charge R1400 basic - includes R200 of shavings, water and electricity, blanketing, flymasks, on and off every day etc
The client pays for what thier horse eats, for a good doer: 12 bales oat hay - R35 each, 2 bales lucerne - R65 each, R200-R400 for concentrates.
Sometimes a horse uses more than R200 worth of shavings which then gets added on to the bill at the end of the month.

So R2250 on average excl vet, farrier, fly spray etc

There are great outrides, an arena with a few jumps (not the best but it does its job), I live on the property and do all of the work myself at the moment - clean stables, feeding, all handling of horses, watering paddocks etc.

I also think the only way to make it worthwhile is to make sure you charge enough, if you don't there is abolutely no point as it is a huge responsibility and plenty of work.

[michy]

I pay R4500 per month and my horse costs my livery owner under R1500, which means he pays for all 3 horses in the yard! That must be how she works out her stabling fees. Sigh. If only I had a property of my own or to rent